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ברך אותו שכך ידונו אותו.... כן.
שדנו אותו בפועל לזכות....לא מצאתי.

אנא האירו עייני.

(לע"נ מו"ח צבי בן חיים אלתר זלצר זצ"ל
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[*] הוא היה אומר כל שרוח הבריות נוחה הימנו רוח המקום נוחה הימנו וכל שאין רוח הבריות נוחה הימנו אין רוח המקום נוחה הימנו.
"רוח הבריות נוחה הימנו" הבריות דנות אותו לכף זכות מימילא גם הם נידונים במידה כנגד מידה .","217","","1394","True","True","False","","105","109.64.115.134","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76043","76039","אבל איפה רואים את זה בסוגיא שלנו ?","12/07/20 21:37","כ תמוז","תש"פ","21:37","מרדכי דב זינגר","איפה אתה רואה את זה במעשה של ר"ע ואב"ה ?","807","","1395","True","True","False","","57","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76044","76043","זו "אקסיומה" = כלל","12/07/20 22:03","כ תמוז","תש"פ","22:03","אבי גרינבלט","ובגמרא שלנו מובא צד אחד של המשוואה.","539","","1395","True","True","False","","57","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76049","76044","איפה ראית כזה דבר","12/07/20 22:37","כ תמוז","תש"פ","22:37","מרדכי דב זינגר","שמביאים הלכה...ומעשה להוכיח.... ואין הוכחה ?

אין לי בעיה עם אקסיומות.
אבל בכזה דבר לא זכור לי שנתקלתי.","807","","1395","True","True","False","","53","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76050","76049","הכלל נלמד מסוטה","12/07/20 22:38","כ תמוז","תש"פ","22:38","אבי גרינבלט","ומציבים את הכלל אצלנו.","539","","1395","True","True","False","","53","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76067","76049","מי אמר שהמעשה בא להוכיח?","13/07/20 08:05","כא תמוז","תש"פ","08:05","יום יום ידרשון","בסה"כ רואים בסיפורים שגם בעלי המעשה חשבו שהכלל הזה נכון.","919","","1394","True","True","False","","108","212.76.102.184","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76055","76050","איפה מצאת בסוטה כזה כלל ?","13/07/20 00:36","כא תמוז","תש"פ","00:36","מרדכי דב זינגר","","807","","1394","False","True","False","","38","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76061","76055","משנה א,ז","13/07/20 06:09","כא תמוז","תש"פ","06:09","אבי גרינבלט","","539","","1394","False","True","False","","44","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76093","76061","הנה המשנה. והמשואה שם שלימה.","13/07/20 14:30","כא תמוז","תש"פ","14:30","מרדכי דב זינגר","בַּמִדָּה שֶׁאָדָם מוֹדֵד, בָּהּ מוֹדְדִין לוֹ. הִיא קִשְּׁטָה אֶת עַצְמָהּ לַעֲבֵרָה, הַמָּקוֹם נִוְּלָהּ. הִיא גִלְּתָה אֶת עַצְמָהּ לַעֲבֵרָה, הַמָּקוֹם גִּלָּה עָלֶיהָ. בַּיָּרֵךְ הִתְחִילָה בָעֲבֵרָה תְחִלָּה וְאַחַר כָּךְ הַבֶּטֶן, לְפִיכָךְ תִּלְקֶה הַיָּרֵךְ תְּחִלָּה {כה} וְאַחַר כָּךְ הַבֶּטֶן. וּשְׁאָר כָּל הַגּוּף לֹא פָלֵט:

לעומת אצלינו. שאין המעשה ראיה לאקסיומה.","807","","1394","True","True","False","","56","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76094","76067","זה יתכן. ייש"כ.","13/07/20 14:32","כא תמוז","תש"פ","14:32","מרדכי דב זינגר","","807","","1394","False","True","False","","50","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76095","76070","הבאה למה ...?","13/07/20 14:38","כא תמוז","תש"פ","14:38","מרדכי דב זינגר","ייש"כ","807","","1394","True","True","False","","58","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76103","76093","ברור","13/07/20 16:00","כא תמוז","תש"פ","16:00","אבי גרינבלט","המעשה לא ראיה לאקסיומה אבל האקסיומה משלימה את החסר במעשה , זו כוונת המהר"ל שציינתי לעיל.","539","","1394","True","True","False","","50","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76096","76095",""הבאה"=להלן","13/07/20 14:45","כא תמוז","תש"פ","14:45","קותי","","217","","1394","False","True","False","","79","109.64.115.134","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76106","76096","ומי מסביר כך ?","13/07/20 16:48","כא תמוז","תש"פ","16:48","מרדכי דב זינגר","","807","","1394","False","True","False","","45","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76107","76103","ה' יאיר עייני.","13/07/20 17:49","כא תמוז","תש"פ","17:49","מרדכי דב זינגר","","807","","1394","False","True","False","","41","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76108","76107","הם כבר מאירות !","13/07/20 17:51","כא תמוז","תש"פ","17:51","אבי גרינבלט","מותר לחלוק...","539","","1394","True","True","False","","46","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76111","76108","העיקר שיהיה חלוקא דרבנן","13/07/20 18:26","כא תמוז","תש"פ","18:26","מרדכי דב זינגר","דווקא הסברו של יי"י קסם לי.
ואם אזכה אתענג על הסבר המהר"ל.
ייש"כ.","807","","1394","True","True","False","","63","164.138.116.46","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב",""),new Message("76112","76111","דברי המהר"ל , בבקשה","13/07/20 18:34","כא תמוז","תש"פ","18:34","אבי גרינבלט","בטוח שתתענג","539","pdf","1394","True","True","False","","62","77.125.5.89","0","76037","שבת|קכז ע"ב","0-pdf"),new Message("76119","76112","ייש"כ. אכן בפרוספקטיבה רחבה, יותר מובן.","13/07/20 21:57","כא תמוז","תש"פ","21:57","מרדכי דב זינגר","יישר כח
רק קודם אסביר יותר מה מפריע לי.

כשהגמרא אמרה "הדן חבירו לכף זכות - דנין אותו לזכות"
מובן שבשמים דנים אותו לכף זכות.
ואז אני שואל - מישהו חזר משם ואישר זאת ?
או האם יש פסוק בתנ"ך שמאשר זאת ?

כעת. אני קודם לוקח את דברי יי"י ודבריך (מהר"ל)
ומוסכם שזו אקסיומה.... שמקורה בסוטה - פסוקים.
והשאלה כעת ....
עד כמה אני צריך לכף זכות ?
לכן הביאו את שלשת המעשיות בשלש דרגות כמו שמסביר המהרל....
וכעת.... זה מתוק מדבש.

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